Experts talk about how policing may change in wake of George Floyd’s death

It was the spark that began the revolution.

Video of George Floyd’s death ignited protests around the country and opened up a dialogue for police reform.

YOUR MEMORY, NOW.THE LAST MOMENTS OF GEORGEFLOYDS LIFE ... THATFOREVER CHANGED MANY OF OURS.JIM GUNN WAS A POLICE OFFICERAND HAS SPENT THE LAST 33 YEARSTRAINING OTHER OFFICERS.'ABSOLUTELY, I CAN.

I REALLYCAN.'AND HIS FIRST THOUGHT, WHEN HESAW THIS VIDEO WAS:'WHO IN THE HECK TAUGHT HIMTHAT?''I HAVE BEEN A SUBJECT CONTROLTEACHER FOR THE STATE OF NORTHCAROLINA FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT FORTHIRTY YEARS AND WEVE NEVERTAUGHT ANYTHING LIKE THAT.'KAMI CHAVIS HAD MUCH THE SAMEREACTION TO THE VIDEO.'AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR MYSELF,AND I HAVENT SPOKENTO ANYONE WITHIN THE CRIMINALJUSTICE SYSTEM WHO BELIEVESTHAT HIS ACTIONS WERE JUSTIFIEDAND, QUITE FRANKLY, MANY AREOUTRAGED BECAUSE, WHEN YOU HAVEAN OFFICER LIKE THAT,HE DISGRACES THE ENTIREPROFESSION.'BUT, AS A NATIONALLY- KNOWNEXPERT IN POLICE ANDPROSECUTORIAL ACCOUNTABILITY,CHAVIS BELIEVES INCIDENTS LIKETHIS POINT TO A MUCH DEEPERPROBLEM THAN DEREK CHAVIN ANDTHE OTHER OFFICERS WHO WATCHEDAS HE KNELT ON GEORGEFLOYDS NECK.'THESE OFFICERS ARE OPERATINGWITHIN A LARGER CONTEXT, WITHINACULTURE.

THEYRE OPERATINGWITHIN A CULTURE OF A PROFESSIONANDTHE DEPARTMENT.'CHAVIS ISNT ADVOCATING FORELIMINATING POLICE DEPARTMENTSBUT SHE DOES UNDERSTAND THE CALLTO MOVESOME FUNDING TO OTHERPRIORITIES.

AND JIM GUNN HASALWAYS ADVOCATED FOR INNOVATIONINPOLICING.'THATS THE WHOLE GOAL: TO DOTHINGS BETTER.

ALWAYS DO THINGSBETTER.'BUT HE BELIEVES PART OF THAT ISGETTING BACK TO THE BASICS OFHUMAN CONNECTION.'LISTENING, TOO, YOU NEED TOKNOW THE COMMUNITY YOUREDEALING WITH.

AND UNTIL YOULISTEN AND UNDERSTAND THECOMMUNITY, THATS WHEN YOU CANBE UNDERSTOOD -WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THEIRS.'ALTHOUGH THE SHERIFFS INGUILFORD AND FORSYTHCOUNTIES ARE AFRICAN- AMERICAN -AS ARE THE POLICE CHIEFSIN GREENSBORO AND WINSTON- SALEM- THEIR STAFFS RANGE BETWEEN XXAND XX% AFRICAN- AMERICAN.'THEY LET THEIR EMOTIONS GO.'JIM GUNN SAYS HAVING MOREMINORITY OFFICERS ON THEFORCE IS ESSENTIAL, BUT ITS NOTEASY TO RECRUIT THEM.'I THINK HAVING OFFICERS INTHOSE COMMUNITIES,BUILDING THAT TRUST IS GOING TOBE THE KEY TO GETTING THEMINORITY COMMUNITIES TO WANT TODO THIS PROFESSION.

BUT,RIGHT NOW, ITS TOUGH TO FILL ACLASS, VERY TOUGH TO FILL ACLASS.'KAMI CHAVIS AGREES WE NEED A LOTMORE RESOURCES AND EFFORT INCHOOSING WHO BECOMES AN OFFICER... BUTTHAT HAS LESS TO DO WITH WHATTHEY LOOK LIKE THAN WHO THEYARE AS HUMAN BEINGS.DO AN INCREDIBLYIMPORTANT - PLAY IN INCREDIBLYIMPORTANT ROLE BUT WE HAVE TOMAKE SURE WERE CHOOSING THERIGHT PEOPLE.'THAT MAY BE ONE, LASTING LEGACYOF WHAT HAPPENED TOGEORGE FLOYD.BB ... F8N.